Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Adam's avatar

Great piece on a great movie. The grounded, personal struggles you highlight also make clear something that I've been trying to put my finger on for a little while now, which is why some quippiness is good and some quippiness is aggravating. (A lot of it is simply that some stuff isn't funny at all, but that can't be the whole story.) It's not like Marvel movies invented the action one-liner, and Spider-Man himself has always been famous for goading his antagonists. And I think the key is that sense of an earned, weary cynicism. A modern Marvel joke is often a wink at the audience, a style guide-mandate that it be clear that the main characters have also seen movies before. Spidey, at his best, is winking at himself. Does he really need to mock Bonesaw during the first movie's wrestling scene? Not really, but he clearly enjoys it. And it expresses so many things: his youthful bravado and arrogance, his wit, the resentments of a spit-upon and kicked loser in a new position of strength, perhaps a latent cruelty that's easy to indulge with power (and easy to justify, when directed at the correct target.) There's pleasure in humiliating and emasculating this asshole muscle-man, and it's cathartic and playful and troubling all at once. You learn something about who he's been, who he is, and the limitless possibilities for who he could be. It breathes life into the character, tells you something about his history and psychology, and provides some of the earliest foreshadowing of the inner turmoil you note. The cliche action quip, so often used to place characters outside of the cacophony of events, instead places Peter inside of it, suggests it's in continuity with the rest of his life, and is foundational to his tumultuous, hellish yo-yo between self-denial and self-indulgence.

Expand full comment
YAM's avatar

Great review. I'm finally watching it all the way through for the first time today. I've only seen parts of it on TV over the years.

I don't think I'll be watching the new one anytime soon. Omikron is kicking off here now and it's only going to get worse during the holidays. Also one of my friends' dad just passed away, and we put our regular movie-going on hold.

The scene were an unconscious Octavius is about to be operated on and his robotic arms just murderize the doctors, it struck me as a very brutal and shocking scene, even though it doesn't contain any blood and gore. Love that Sam Raimi.

Expand full comment
1 more comment...

No posts